How to "win" in Iraq - PICK A SIDE
We started it to get rid of a terror leaning, weapons loving, fascist, america hating son of a bitch whom the president judged (rightly or wrongly) to be not worth taking a chance over on the safety of the american people.
We completed this phase in a few weeks, and then were left with a conquering force right sized, and a garrison force about 20-25% of what was required. We set loose the ancient war of Ali and 700 AD, versus the converted tribe of power in the hijaz of pre Muhammad times.
We succeeded in a few weeks.
We also failed to comprehend the ragnorokian forces of entropy coiled tighter every day since Ali and Husayn died/were treacherously killed.
That is the responsibility of the Bush admin.
Jim Baker has also FAILED to grasp the elementary.
If the members of the ISG:
James A. Baker, III, and Lee H. Hamilton, Co-Chairs, Lawrence S. Eagleburger, Vernon E. Jordan, Jr., Edwin Meese III, Sandra Day O’Connor, Leon E. Panetta, William J. Perry, Charles S. Robb, Alan K. Simpson are so naieve that they believe not only that Israel can make peace with HAMAS, but also that this will fix the problems in Najaf and Ramadi, and Sadr City, then The Wise Men of our day are fools.
Some of them should have learned this lesson of Israel being a distraction and canard - for their ignorance of that force which grew from the 1979 Russian invasion of Afghanistan onwards, while they guarded the realm.. had nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with the 'unbelievers' everywhere.
These people, who certainly know better, include every name on this list except for Mrs. O'Connor. They might have been able to claim ignorance the first time around, but the forces of salafist and khomeinist aggression are no strangers on the world stage now, and have little to do with Israel.
I have lost much respect for every single name on that list.
But of course we all know wordlessly, the reason for the ISG. It was to give cover to republicans and democrats for treacherously leaving Iraq, and giving up, and making it easier to garner votes in the short term of those in office (of both parties).
Bernard Lewis:"America is harmless as an enemy and treacherous as a friend."
If we want to "win" we need to pick a side. Sunni or Shia. Who has more 'right' on their side?
Will that be cod liver oil or milk of magnesia, sir?
Are you kidding me?
Is winning worth picking one of these america loathing groups?
Or should we allow them to do exactly what they want to do, are longing for ...be freed to slaughter each other, while we move the 140,000 americans to the Republic of Kurdistan, where they are not only out of harm's way, they are out of STUPIDITY's way.
If the object of this war NOW is to kill Al Qaeda, then let's have the Shia do it. And as we know from reading the literature of the Zarquoids, the Shia are not muslims, and may be the result of a jewish plot to destroy Islam and the salafi freaks can't wait to kill them.
It would be nice to be seen to be coming to the rescue, and build medical schools and research labs and high tech farms, but that's not going to be acceptable to be coming from our hand, or to be SEEN to be coming from our hands. Neither the Shia nor the Sunnis of Mesopotamia want anything from us unless it comes on a river of blood they float on and we sink in.
The Kurds are not so foolish as this.
The Kurds have been slaughtered by all surrounding them ..the Syrians, the Turks, the Iranians, and the Iraqis. We have merely abandoned them in the 70's, but stuck by them dramatically, guided by Jay Garner in the 90's.
Had the Turks been more NATO ally and less islamist (can anyone say Valley of the Wolves) then the 4th ID would have been in Kurdistan prior to the 2003 invasion and been guided by the Kurds, and perhaps this would have all been vastly different.(Though I personally doubt it).
The Kurds can be counted on to be allies, if we can be.
I pick the Kurds side in this three ring circus.
I choose to reinforce success.
Kurdistan.
Let those who can't wait to kill each other DO SO.
Or not. We will be close by anytime they decide they'd rather settle their differences then make religious AND civil war (think germany 1648). If Iran looks to gain influence, let the salafis (i.e the Al Saud) reinforce. If the salafis look to take control, let the Iranians bleed themselves
Let us be in Kurdistan.
Let's help them build medical schools.
They want them.
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I am in CARDIOVASCULAR RESEARCH. I spent most of my time helping people figure out how to study the wall motion of the pumping chamber of the heart after damage or surgery.
Asia Times ?????? Worth reading strictly for Spengler. Men like Porter, Lobe etc are to put it mildly lunatic conspiracists slightly less insane than Mr Larouche. Givne that you are connecting from Istanbul I have to conclude you are light on the realities here. And Syed Shahzad.....man oh man, he is a loonie tune. He has to restrain the gag reflex when ever he writes the letters USA. I enjoy Asia Times, but it's entertainment, NOT facts. I have personally written letters to them about article which have blatant factual errors, but like Al Jazeera, too many times it's not about the news, it's about the audience they serve.
Commondreams is three standard deviations to the left of the Nation, which supported Stalin.
Much of the rest of what you are linking are FORUMS not hard fact sites.
Sikhnet?
a listserv at the U of Utah dept of education?
Stop war on iraq blogspot...
give me some MEAT
try Charlie WIlson's War by George Crile, editor of 60 Minutes, or Ghost Wars by Steven Coll, Chief foreign correspondent of the Washington Post, both easily Bush critics. Check AMAZON
As I said, you have chosen to believe sources which justify your inner compulsion to hate not the administration, but AMERICAN (who voted in the admin FREELY)
CIA and BAATH connection;
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0420-05.htm
http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2000/msg01267.html
http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/rad-green/2003-April/008324.html
http://w02-0209.web.dircon.net/Flame/cia_iraq.htm
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2849.htm
http://www.representativepress.org/CIASaddam.html
http://www.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/discussion.nsf/0/E04FB880F4335A4487256D06005E9536
http://www.rise4news.net/Saddam-CIA.html
CIA and PKK PJAK connection;
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IK28Ak01.html
http://www.arrse.co.uk/cpgn2/Forums/viewtopic/t=77071/view=next.html
http://www.dangoor.com/72page30.html
http://www.bitsofnews.com/content/view/6351/
http://www.turkishweekly.net/news.php?id=41943
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=5165
http://stopwaroniranblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/subverting-iran-washingtons-covert-war.html
considering your slang language and age you are not soldier or politician what is your profession?
You may despise many things but truth will emerge in the end...
Tarkan, so sorry but you are duped fool or worse.
The Baath is a derivative of the NAZI party, begun in 1948. That we had something to do with this is believed only by people with a remarkable desire to HATE AMERICANS.
Same for Al Qaeda. Every single history has made clear the USA sent money and arms to Massoud, NOT BIn Laden whose raised money from the sunnis and salafist freaks in KSA, and who KILLED Massoud 2 days before 9/11.
If you have proof for you ridiciulous charges, post your URL's or sllnk away. Let's see what you have.
Rather than being creator of the PKK it is the USA who has SCREWED the Kurds several times in favor of Turkey and Iran (under the Shah). IN short you have turned history upside down in order to justify your inner compulsion to hate americans.
Baath is created by you not people of Iraq but you smart people also created Al Qaeda as well as PJAK-PKK-EOKA not space to name many others.We will defend our country no matter what,you may be the super power but you smart people have also re-surrected Russian bear(what a success)you may despise many things; like May 10, 1933 when nazis burned piles of books and paraded but nothing will change your fate.We have right to stand against what we believe and I believe if people like you seem to have right to support Terrorism we have the right to defend our home.And we will.We will not lose any part of our country.
BTW-I think you have smt personal against my country(cyprus maybe?)but find usefull using USA's name as a shelter instead.
Stop supporting terrorists and come to field,dont send your puppets...
Perhaps when the Baath came the people THERE should have taken responsibility for themselves and DESTROYED THEM UTTERLY. Perhaps if they had, the world would be on a very different path.
That is where the responsibility ultimately lies, and we are just too polite to go over and pver and over. The people get the govt they deserve.
What makes us angry? Are you kidding? It's the morons who think 9:29 is like 007's mandate.
BTW, I DESPISE those people you mention.
After 1,5 billion usd wasted what a mess to be proud of,still you can see people like you to be amused.OK well done.So come and lets not believe in Santa.
It is your design of Hell and Heaven,well watch Marc Perkel Rantz,Christiane Amanpour,Michael Moore to figure this out.Cause everybody figured out already.We have enough interference from outside,why dont you do something for your country to avoid recession,unemployment.After all the people you are after are your boys trained,supplied,safe guarded all by you.What shapes your policies?What makes you angry?You are the superpower shaping all- not us.
if any sense in your writings any direction please wake me up and oh by the way if you are interested in building and supplying our enemies and dividing our country in any way why dont you join your army and come north?
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Since I'm 57 I've already done my thing as far as 'going north'.
Iraq is an invention of Sykes and Picot.
It NEVER existed as a voluntary conjunction of political entities.
It was a dream.
If it could be NOW, the tell the Shia to GIVE UP the revenge of 1400 years, and the Sunnis the FANTASY they can dominate, and they can MAKE A FRIGGING NATION.
No one is stopping them.
Kill Sadr.
End SCIRI
Destroy the Mahdi army.
Kill the foreign fighters.
ALL AMERICANS WILL STAND UP AND CHEER
ALL.
100%
However as a Turk, what are you afraid of, losing Kurdistan? It's clear the Turkish people in poll after poll despise not just america but americans, we HAVE woken up. We have all seen the commercials for the Valley of the wolves, and WE GET IT.
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